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    Default Brazilian Stocks - April 16th - Interlagos - Pre-Race Brefing

    Welcome Drivers:
    Here are details for the 8th and final round of The Battle of the Brazilian Stocks 2019


    !!The Final Race Will Be 1 X 75 minutes!!



    (Att: All Drivers!)Drivers interested in registering for this series, !PLEASE GO HERE TO PICK A CAR, SEE THE SHEDULE, POINTS SYSTEM AND GET FILES RELEVENT TO THE SERIES!

    All drivers are welcome.
    Round 8 of The Battle of the Brazilian Stocks 2019 is Tuesday, April 16th, 2019, Qualifying at 8PM CST/9PM EST

    Location: Autódromo José Carlos, São Paulo, Brazil - 2.678 miles / 4.309 km

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    ~ In your TRACK list, the track is:
    " Interlagos/Interlagos "
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    ~ Race length is 1 x 75 minutes
    ~ Race Pit Speed 50mph/80kph (Please try to observe pit speed in all sessions)
    ~ Do not use off-course areas to gain an advantage.
    ~ Please Note that we will be doing a rolling start for this series!
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    Race Day and Time: Tuesday, April 16th, 2019
    Server Name: MNRL CMSRACING.COM
    Qualifying at 8PM CST/9PM EST (15 minutes)
    Warmup, 5 minutes,

    ~ Server Settings

    .
    ROLLING START PROCEDURE
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    ROLLING START CONTROLLED BY THE PACE CAR!
    .
    WHEN THE TIMER RUNS OUT PROCEED DOUBLE FILE AT A PACE SET BY THE PACE CAR.

    PLEASE WATCH FOR STACK BRAKING (THE PACE CAR WILL BE SLOW IN THE CORNERS)

    PROCEED IN A SAFE MANOR LEAVING A REASONABLE GAP BETWEEN YOU AND THE CAR IN FRONT OF YOU.

    ~ BRAKE WARMING IS ALLOWED BUT PLEASE DO SO AS TO NOT CAUSE STACK BRAKING OF THE CARS BEHIND YOU.

    ~ TIRE WARMING IS NOT ALLOWED.

    ~ IF YOU SPIN OFF THE TRACK DURING THE FORMATION LAP PLEASE REJOIN AT THE BACK OF THE FIELD.

    ~ AFTER THE PACE CAR LEAVES THE TRACK AND ENTERS THE PIT THE LEADER WILL HOLD PACE SPEED.

    ~ RACE BEGINS WHEN YOU SEE THE GREEN LIGHTS ON SCREEN.

    ~ ORANGE ZONE RULES ARE IN EFFECT FOR THE START OF THE RACE

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    Race review and penalties:
    The race start may be reviewed by the review team if an admin deems it nessasary or a protest is filed as well as review any incidents during the race for which an incident protest was filed.
    Penalties may be issued as appropriate. The results of these reviews will be posted no later than one week before the next event.
    All drivers are required to read the race review/penalty thread before the upcoming race so that they will be aware if they are required to serve any penalties.
    Any driver receiving a penalty will also be notified via PM.

    !!!PLEASE be familiar with CMS rules and regulations!!!
    Rules, Regulations and Protest Procedure

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    Server should be up shortly after the previous race.
    In the SERVER LIST, look for
    MNRL CMSRACING.COM ...
    Server Password:Attachment 13045

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    SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE CHIEF STEWARD:

    As usual, the lift/blip May be in effect, depening on the car. Repetitive speedshifting
    may result in motor damage and failure.
    Lift and Blip Video

    Do not forget that, in this series, tire sets are limited to 10 per race weekend.
    When you escape the track, you must go into the garage and manually change the tires if you want fresh rubber.
    If you do not manually change the tires, you will exit the garage with the tires you were just running on! (First page, top left hand in garage options, can't miss it)
    Optionally, you can call for a pit stop while on track, (make sure you call for new tires) drive into the pit box change your tires and drive back out onto the track.
    Note: Pit speed starts as soon as you leave the track onto the pit road. If you pit during the race, don't speed, you will get a penalty.

    It is up to the drivers to note and remember this.

    If you run out of fresh tires, exit the server, close AMS, relaunch, and now you will have 10 new sets of rubbers to play with
    We are not forcing drivers to stay the full race weekend with only those 10 sets.
    The limited tire sets option provides some strategic options (potentially) and that is what we are concerned with here.
    It also allows us to view tire wear in more detail in game (garage and HUD) and that adds value to using this option as well.

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    Circuit History
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    Interlagos is something of a throwback circuit, built in the 1940s and updated just enough over the years to satisfy the demands of Formula One without destroying its essential character. Drivers and spectators love it, though with its primitive paddock facilities, teams are more lukewarm. Quite how Interlagos retains its F1 spot is something of a mystery when you consider the pillorying Silverstone took from Bernie Ecclestone to update its facilities, but perhaps it goes to show that, deep down, he is a sentimentalist after all...

    The circuit's history began in 1926, when a real state company led by British entrepreneur Louis Romero Sanson began designing a new suburban area as part of the expansion of São Paulo. Known as 'Balneário Satélite da Capital', the project envisaged the creation of housing, large roads, and a multi-sport complex located in between the two enormous reservoirs which supply the city with drinking water.

    After hiring Alfred Agache, a French urban planner who had been responsible for a redevelopment scheme in Rio de Janeiro, the proposals acquired their new name; Agache thought that the site reminded him of Interlaken in Switzerland, and thus Interlagos (meaning 'between lakes' in Portuguese) was adopted.

    The stock market crash of 1929, combined with years of political turmoil within Brazil, ultimately put paid to most of these plans, including those of the motor racing circuit within the sports complex. Nevertheless, Brazilian racing continued, with street races arranged in both Rio and São Paulo. It was at the latter of these events that disaster struck: French pilot Hellé-Nice lost control of her Alfa Romeo at the end of the race and hit nearby spectators. The accident resulted in 4 people dead and another 37 injured.

    Racing clearly needed a safer environment to continue in and the president of the Automobile Club of Brazil, Eusébio de Queiroz Mattozo, urged Sanson to complete the Interlagos circuit. Sanson began researching circuit design, taking inspiration from Roosevelt Raceway in the U.S.A.; Brooklands in Great Britain; and Montlhéry in France.

    Construction began in 1938 and the track was paved the following year. A lack of funds meant that facilities were very basic at the planned original opening; the grandstands and pit facilities would have to wait for many years before being complete, but the track itself was ready for racing. Unfortunately, the weather gods were not so welcoming and the original inauguration in November 1939 had to be postponed to the following year.

    So it was that a grid of cars lined up on 12 May 1940 for the the 3rd Grand Prix of the City of São Paulo. Motorcycle races helped make up the undercard. The drivers and riders found a fast but technical circuit which wound its way back and forth between the lakes and across the contours of the land. Despite the basic facilities, around 15,000 people came out to watch those races in Brazil's first circuit. The Grand Prix was won by Brazilian driver Nascimento Junior in an Alfa Romeo, followed by fellow Brazilians Chico Landi (Maserati) and Geraldo Avellar (Alfa Romeo).

    Racing continued at a national level throughout the 1940s and, by 1947, Interlagos was ready to host its first international race, an event for Grand Prix cars. Sanson's company managed the circuit until 1954, when it was sold to the City of São Paulo for a symbolic price.

    In 1957, a link road was built to connect the Turn 4 and Junção corners to form an outer speed ring; essentially an oddly-shaped oval course. The original circuit remained unchanged by these alterations.

    At the end of 1967, the circuit was closed for extensive renovations to bring it up to contemporary safety standards, reopening on 1 March 1970. Further improvements came in 1971, with the ambition of securing a Formula One race to help showcase Brazil's new racing talent. The dream came true a year later, albeit in non-chmapionship form, with Argentine driver Carlos Reutemann wining the race, followed home by Swede Ronnie Peterson and Brazilian Wilson Fittipaldi Junior.

    The event's success contributed to the inclusion of the race in the FIA Formula One World Championship. The first official race took place on 11 February 1973 and the enormous home crowds cheered home Emerson Fittipaldi to the win, followed by Scot Jackie Stewart and New Zealander Dennis Hulme.

    Interlagos continued to host F1 throughout the 1970s, usually as one of the season opening races. But by 1980, drivers had begun to question the general safety at the venue, particularly becoming concerned with the bumpiness of the track in several places (no doubt exacerbated by the rock-solid suspensions employed on ground-effect era cars). The City Council was reluctant to provide the necessary investment to solve these issues and Rio thus snatched the race away for its new Jacarepaguá circuit.

    During this phase, Interlagos went through a series of small-scale renovations and staged a series of national championship races, gradually fading from the international scene. In 1985, the circuit was renamed the Autódromo José Carlos Pace in memory of the 1976 GP winner, who had been killed in a plane crash just over a year later.

    Changing requirements for F1 venues provided Interlagos with a second chance at F1, when Rio could no longer afford to keep the event. The Mayor of São Paulo, Luiza Erundina, joined forces with the President of the Brazilian Confederation of Motor Sports (CBA), Piero Gancia, to bring the F1 Grand Prix back to São Paulo from 1990.

    In preparation, Interlagos underwent a series of renovations, with the construction of new garages and a race control tower, and the track itself was reduced considerably, complying with the new trend for shorter circuits. A new first turn bypassed the old banked corner, plunging downhill and connecting with the old circuit at Curva do Sol and heading in the opposite direction to previously to a revised and tightened corner between the lakes, before heading back up the hill and rejoining the original infield and the climb back to the pits.

    Alain Prost won the inaugural race back at Interlagos, but local hero Ayrton Senna took the wins in 1991 and 1993.

    A variety of improvements occurred over the years, including the construction of a chicane on the run up to the pit straight in anticipation of the arrival of the Motorcycle Grand Prix in 1992. Riders were not taken with the circuit, finding it far too bumpy, and the race never returned.

    The pit entry and exit was modified in 1996 and again in 1999, while a total resurfacing was undertaken in 2007. To facilitate the work, the circuit was closed and no events were held in the five months immediately preceding the Grand Prix.

    Following two fatal crashes which took the lives of Stock Car Brasil drivers Rafael Sperafico in 2007 and Gustavo Sondermann in 2011, a revised chicane was introduced for these races (but not F1) at the Curva do Café corner. The slightly clunky, tyre-lined chicane was further altered for the 2013 season, being eased on exit (though initially, contractors built the chicane the wrong way round and it had to be rebuilt a second time...). It remains in use for the popular stock car races, in combination with specially-designed SAFER barriers, identical to those now widely used on North American ovals, which had replaced the concrete wall at the final turn following the Sperafico crash.

    Plans for a new Formula One only pitlane on the Reta Oposta straight were unveiled in 2012, though were finally discounted after circuit bosses feared it might spoil some of the essential character of the track. Instead, a $60 million refurbishment programme was launched, which saw major civil engineering works begin in August 2014 to create a new pitlane entry and exit. The hillside at the back of the Laranjinha was cut away and then built up with a concrete wall, allowing more space above for a revised pit lane entry. At the same time, the track itself was moved a few metres further back to create additional runoff. Despite this change, the offical track length remains unchanged.

    Additional run-off was also created at the Senna-S by moving the pitlane exit further back, while further earthworks created more room to the outside of Curva do Sol. The final track change came with the addition of an alternate route at Bico de Pato, possible for use during motorcycle events. The works, including a full track resurfacing, were completed ahead of the Grand Prix in November, with a second phase due to start following the race. This will see the existing pit buildings demolished and new ones built, with increased garage and paddock space. A reduced calendar of events will be run in 2015 with a temporary pit lane to be employed while the construction work takes place.
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    I would like a clarification if I can. In the original post about this series with schedule and car selections it states "The finale race at Interlagos is the only exception. Format for that race will be a single race, 75 minutes in length. (Points awarded for this race will be tripled!)" which I expected. However in this post it states the race will be 45 minutes. Did I miss the change somewhere or is this an oversight? If I might add... after being so frustrated at the beginning of the season I have come to grips with these cars and really am enjoying driving them. The longer the race, the more concentration is required, the more we get to drive, and the more chances the faster guys get to get to the front. 75 minutes also makes pit stop strategies more of a factor as well (probably 2 vs 1). Obviously, it is what it is. I just need some clarification and wanted to add my 2 cents. Thank you

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    I think main thread (75 min) is the typo and in the finale race will be 45 min long. It's a tradition with MNRL that races are always 45 min long, and so far admins did stay with that tradition even though they don't have to anymore!. Let me explain; MNRL used to be a chapter in Race2Play League, and a very popular one I should add. Pretty much all of us (minus few cms members) used to race at R2P. Most of the time R2P servers were very busy and getting a prime time for racing, even on weekdays, was not easy. Chapters were forced to do qualy-warmup-race within 1-hour time frame. Hence the reason for 45-min race length, right after 10 min qualy and 5 min warm up.

    Now MNRL is here and there is no 1-hour restriction, we can race all day (and night), but races are still 45 min long, so yeah I'm pretty sure it is a typo with that "75 min".

    Of course I'm mentioning all this (for the second time I think) while the subject of race length in question, that MNRL can be flexible in race length. And it is nice to see we are doing 2x25 format with Brazilian Stocks this season. But 60 min long races can easily be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Uyan View Post
    I think main thread (75 min) is the typo and in the finale race will be 45 min long. It's a tradition with MNRL that races are always 45 min long, and so far admins did stay with that tradition even though they don't have to anymore!. Let me explain; MNRL used to be a chapter in Race2Play League, and a very popular one I should add. Pretty much all of us (minus few cms members) used to race at R2P. Most of the time R2P servers were very busy and getting a prime time for racing, even on weekdays, was not easy. Chapters were forced to do qualy-warmup-race within 1-hour time frame. Hence the reason for 45-min race length, right after 10 min qualy and 5 min warm up.

    Now MNRL is here and there is no 1-hour restriction, we can race all day (and night), but races are still 45 min long, so yeah I'm pretty sure it is a typo with that "75 min".

    Of course I'm mentioning all this (for the second time I think) while the subject of race length in question, that MNRL can be flexible in race length. And it is nice to see we are doing 2x25 format with Brazilian Stocks this season. But 60 min long races can easily be done.
    Some of you guys have memory like a gold fish

    It's not a typo. The finale race for this series is 75 minutes long.
    This is in the tradition of this series, and Angelo (hope he's doing ok, btw...haven't heard a peep in a while ) was the one that pointed out how they do this "Million dollar race" each year in this series. Payout ($$$) and points are tripled, and it's this big Daytona like atmosphere.

    Here, have a bit of history lesson on this particular event


    We deviated from the 45 minute racing scheme quite a while ago, and while many races at R2P were 45 minutes, I recall quite a few solid 1 hour and 90 minute races there as well (with other chapters, not MNRL in particular). So I'm not so sure your reasoning for why MNRL were 45 minutes is so sound, Jon. I think there was a pay scheme though, where league organizers payed more if they wanted to do longer races, but I'm not sure, been a while and my own gold fish memory kicks in on that one.

    Anyways, like I said, we discussed all this in quite a bit of length when this series started. The series details thread spelled this out with the rest of the details before the series started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankm View Post
    I would like a clarification if I can. In the original post about this series with schedule and car selections it states "The finale race at Interlagos is the only exception. Format for that race will be a single race, 75 minutes in length. (Points awarded for this race will be tripled!)" which I expected. However in this post it states the race will be 45 minutes. Did I miss the change somewhere or is this an oversight? If I might add... after being so frustrated at the beginning of the season I have come to grips with these cars and really am enjoying driving them. The longer the race, the more concentration is required, the more we get to drive, and the more chances the faster guys get to get to the front. 75 minutes also makes pit stop strategies more of a factor as well (probably 2 vs 1). Obviously, it is what it is. I just need some clarification and wanted to add my 2 cents. Thank you
    It was oversight, Frank. The race is indeed 75 minutes, and worth triple points.
    I have fixed the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Whited View Post
    Some of you guys have memory like a gold fish

    It's not a typo. The finale race for this series is 75 minutes long.
    This is in the tradition of this series, and Angelo (hope he's doing ok, btw...haven't heard a peep in a while ) was the one that pointed out how they do this "Million dollar race" each year in this series. Payout ($$$) and points are tripled, and it's this big Daytona like atmosphere.

    Here, have a bit of history lesson on this particular event


    We deviated from the 45 minute racing scheme quite a while ago, and while many races at R2P were 45 minutes, I recall quite a few solid 1 hour and 90 minute races there as well (with other chapters, not MNRL in particular). So I'm not so sure your reasoning for why MNRL were 45 minutes is so sound, Jon. I think there was a pay scheme though, where league organizers payed more if they wanted to do longer races, but I'm not sure, been a while and my own gold fish memory kicks in on that one.

    Anyways, like I said, we discussed all this in quite a bit of length when this series started. The series details thread spelled this out with the rest of the details before the series started.
    Thanks for making that clarification quickly Jason! This will make things very different (and presumably even more interesting) for several reasons. Although we've gotten use to the 2X tire wear by now, 75 minutes will make tire conservation, fuel on board, setup and now required pitting strategies different than blasting away for 25 mins. And triple points (too bad not real winnings) make for interesting potential changes in the championship standings. This could be an opportunity for some of us who have improved in this car to make up for some poor showings early on. Personally, I like the change for the finale because we used it in a go kart league I use to race in and it always made sure that attendance remained good thru the last event, results were not so predictable and when you finished, (although very tired) it felt more like you had competed in a real life race in real cars with real world limitations and consequences.

    As far as the 45 min race length we have used mostly in MNRL, there are several factors that may have influenced that. Some of the MNRL members that raced MNRL even before it went to R2P (I'm thinking of Frank Speer) may be able to speak to the distant past. At R2P some of the limitations Jason mentioned were certainly in play. Jon and Joe both hosted some events at R2P, so they can speak to details like cost. We did run a few MNRL seasons where pitting was required (fuel limitations purposely built into the mod) and race length was extended to 50 mins. (maybe a few finales at 60 mins.). But having worked with Norm in preparing some of the Mods we used, I know he fretted over how well each mod., the tracks used and the time slot chosen would affect appeal and attendance. For the most part our participants are from locales in EST to PST domain. So the 15 min qualy with a brief break and then a 45 min. race starting around 9pm EST was just wide enough to allow drivers on the east coast to fit in some week night fun and still get to bed at a reasonable time while letting drivers on the west coast to get home from work early enough to join in. In summary, I think mixing it up occasionally (especially season finales) is a good thing. But being one of the EST drivers, I have to say that I would not be able to sustain more than 60 min. races on a regular basis for Sunday thru Thursday night events.

    Press on Jason and Joe. MNRL remains a unique group that still appeals to friendly and sporting drivers. Norm would be proud!

    BTW, this is a good racing weekend in the real world. F1 race in China, while IMSA and Indy car race at Long Beach. The DVR is going to see some programming today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brette Brooks View Post
    Thanks for making that clarification quickly Jason! This will make things very different (and presumably even more interesting) for several reasons. Although we've gotten use to the 2X tire wear by now, 75 minutes will make tire conservation, fuel on board, setup and now required pitting strategies different than blasting away for 25 mins. And triple points (too bad not real winnings) make for interesting potential changes in the championship standings. This could be an opportunity for some of us who have improved in this car to make up for some poor showings early on. Personally, I like the change for the finale because we used it in a go kart league I use to race in and it always made sure that attendance remained good thru the last event, results were not so predictable and when you finished, (although very tired) it felt more like you had competed in a real life race in real cars with real world limitations and consequences.

    As far as the 45 min race length we have used mostly in MNRL, there are several factors that may have influenced that. Some of the MNRL members that raced MNRL even before it went to R2P (I'm thinking of Frank Speer) may be able to speak to the distant past. At R2P some of the limitations Jason mentioned were certainly in play. Jon and Joe both hosted some events at R2P, so they can speak to details like cost. We did run a few MNRL seasons where pitting was required (fuel limitations purposely built into the mod) and race length was extended to 50 mins. (maybe a few finales at 60 mins.). But having worked with Norm in preparing some of the Mods we used, I know he fretted over how well each mod., the tracks used and the time slot chosen would affect appeal and attendance. For the most part our participants are from locales in EST to PST domain. So the 15 min qualy with a brief break and then a 45 min. race starting around 9pm EST was just wide enough to allow drivers on the east coast to fit in some week night fun and still get to bed at a reasonable time while letting drivers on the west coast to get home from work early enough to join in. In summary, I think mixing it up occasionally (especially season finales) is a good thing. But being one of the EST drivers, I have to say that I would not be able to sustain more than 60 min. races on a regular basis for Sunday thru Thursday night events.

    Press on Jason and Joe. MNRL remains a unique group that still appeals to friendly and sporting drivers. Norm would be proud!

    BTW, this is a good racing weekend in the real world. F1 race in China, while IMSA and Indy car race at Long Beach. The DVR is going to see some programming today.



    ETA: I don't think we'd consider regular races beyond 60 minutes. Maybe a series with 60 minute races, sure. Anything more is, like you said, too much for weekdays.
    This one happens to be 75 minutes simply because of the scheme of it being 3x the length of the standard races in this particular series.

    75 minutes is doable, but it'll surely be work!
    However, if one gets tired while racing Tuesday night, just remember this video of the real deal and imagine the actual work effort while driving this car



    Also of note, real world side, the chicane is in place before the start/finish straight.
    In our world, the chicane is not in place. It's horrible, I hate the thing, and it causes incidents (learned this through experience. For some reason most always 'forget' this chicane, myself included)
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    I am pretty distraught that I'm going to miss this race. I will be away on vacation with the family which is great but I have been looking forward to a longer than 30-40 min race my entire simracing career!

    Anyway I will be thinking of the race Tuesday night and hope all goes well for everyone, give it hell!

    Really enjoyed my first season here and look forward to many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Whited View Post
    Some of you guys have memory like a gold fish

    It's not a typo. The finale race for this series is 75 minutes long.
    This is in the tradition of this series, and Angelo (hope he's doing ok, btw...haven't heard a peep in a while ) was the one that pointed out how they do this "Million dollar race" each year in this series. Payout ($$$) and points are tripled, and it's this big Daytona like atmosphere.

    Here, have a bit of history lesson on this particular event


    We deviated from the 45 minute racing scheme quite a while ago, and while many races at R2P were 45 minutes, I recall quite a few solid 1 hour and 90 minute races there as well (with other chapters, not MNRL in particular). So I'm not so sure your reasoning for why MNRL were 45 minutes is so sound, Jon. I think there was a pay scheme though, where league organizers payed more if they wanted to do longer races, but I'm not sure, been a while and my own gold fish memory kicks in on that one.

    Anyways, like I said, we discussed all this in quite a bit of length when this series started. The series details thread spelled this out with the rest of the details before the series started.
    I guess I'm the gold fish. Sorry about all the confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Miller View Post
    I guess I'm the gold fish. Sorry about all the confusion.
    Certainly not just you

    Thread moving along, builds some hype for the race

    Had to cut out to practice for a thing tomorrow, but was running some laps earlier. Pit strategy and tire management will be huge factors in this race!

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